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Snake Venom

by ArtemisToxia @ 2007-12-04 - 14:40:39

Snake venoms are among the most complex of all biological toxins and are composed of numerous enzymatic substances. In fact, 20+ different enzymes have been identified in snake venoms (although no one species possesses all of these!) Most species possess between 7-10 different enzymes.

These various enzymes have different functions in their action when secreted and therefore any type of venom is reliant on a multiple reaction to be effective. In general there are:
1) haemotoxin types which break down tissue
2) neurotoxin types which affect the central nervous system

In Europe the vipera berus is the most widespread poisonous snake. The long nosed viper or sand viper V.ammodytes can grow to be 75cm but some males have been recorded to reach around 90cm.

On some of the Greek islands the Malpolon monspessulanus can be found. They are very aggressive and usually between 100-150cm in length but some can get to 200cm long! Their venom is particularly powerful which produces immediate pain.

Unfortunately although scholars can not be certain what types of poisonous snakes were used by the Scythians but we can get some idea of the effect a poisoned arrow would have made on its victim. We believe that the Scythians used decomposed poisonous snakes and human blood incubated in a manure heap. The blood was a breeding ground for bacteria and the manure contained the germs of tetanus and gangrene. In most cases death would be within an hour, or after a day gangrene would set in and a few days later tetanus would kill.

I believe that ancient armies must have been demoralised by the mere sight of archers as they would not be sure if they were going to use poisoned arrows.


 
 

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Mrs_FMrs_F [Member]
2007-12-04 @ 14:44

I believe I have read somewhere that gangrene is commonly associated with snake bite something to do with the venom causing necrosis of the tissues. I will look it up later.

Delightful. ;)

Thanks an intersting post.

Mrs_FMrs_F [Member]
2007-12-04 @ 23:19

Have you read this book? I was considering buying it. Seems you might have come across it.

Greek Fire, Poison Arrows, and Scorpion Bombs: Biological and Chemical Warfare, in the Ancient World, by Adrienne Mayor

ArtemisToxiaArtemisToxia [Member]
2007-12-04 @ 23:50

Actually I already have a copy it is brilliant, worth every penny!

Mrs_FMrs_F [Member]
2007-12-05 @ 07:37

I think I might get a copy.

:)

ArtemisToxiaArtemisToxia [Member]
2007-12-04 @ 23:50

Oh please do, I'm very interested :))

Mrs_FMrs_F [Member]
2007-12-05 @ 07:52

there are lots of really interesting sites on this topic. But I have put a link to one that interested me on my morning blog.

:)

ArtemisToxiaArtemisToxia [Member]
2007-12-07 @ 13:33

Thankyou, I have just had a look, what a fascinating read! :))

I think you're right. Any weapon that can rain death from a distance is frightening to the fighting man and in this case I'd place archers as a weapon in the armoury of the warlord. Only when an effective counter-measure can be put in place does that fear dissipate. Remind me, when did we discover effective armour against bolts and arrows?

ArtemisToxiaArtemisToxia [Member]
2007-12-10 @ 17:55

Thankyou for raising such an interesting question, I have blogged on it today, hope you can pop in. :))

I'll pop in right now. :yes:

jackfrostjackfrost [Member]
2007-12-04 @ 20:25

Military researchers are already interested in Endothelin, a protein similar to certain snake venoms, and substance P, a "tachykinin" which can cause intense constriction of the smooth muscle surrounding the lungs. One US study has identified nine different types of neurotransmitter/receptor systems and other classes of compounds including convulsives. Spray them into a crowd, and people would fight for breath - but how could you be sure that there weren't asthmatics in that crowd who could die?

ArtemisToxiaArtemisToxia [Member]
2007-12-07 @ 13:32

I'd imagine that if that fell into the wrong hands and it was sprayed into a crowd they aren't going to care whether people might die from it! Interesting that the military are researching this though!

technomisttechnomist [Member]
2007-12-04 @ 21:59

What a scary repository of knowledge we have around here!

Very interesting, nonetheless. :)

ArtemisToxiaArtemisToxia [Member]
2007-12-04 @ 23:52

I agree - it fascinates me!!

tylluanpenrytylluanpenry pro
2007-12-07 @ 16:33

My father was fascinated with poisons of all descriptions - we had loads of bottles dotted around the house with the old skull and crossbones on them marked POISON. How any of us survived I shall never know!

What I find particularly fascinating about your post is that in a time, pre-antibiotics, when we can probably assume that many people died as a result of infection in wounds anyway, they were still looking for ways to make absolutely sure they polished off the enemy!

ArtemisToxiaArtemisToxia [Member]
2007-12-08 @ 11:32

I wish I could have met your father! He sounds great! Although armies obviously aimed to kill as many as possible, they did try and find ways to treat their soldiers - although as you point out infection was the biggest killer of all. I think it would have been kinder to have died there and then on the battlefield than to have suffered for a couple more days knowing you were going to succumb to your wounds.

EllieGantEllieGant pro
2007-12-07 @ 21:34

That is really interesting - albeit a rather depressing insight into the ways mankind can come up with hideous weapons.

ArtemisToxiaArtemisToxia [Member]
2007-12-08 @ 11:35

I agree, mankind throughout history have done some truly unspeakable things. But on the other hand some truly remarkable things e.g. we are still not 100% sure how the Pyramids at Giza were built and that to me is a remarkable feat!

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